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Good start maybe not so easy...
09/01/09 at 08:56:27

Just courious,
since MyECU is developed f Guzzis,
did you all just dl one of Cliff´s maps and starting were just great & no problemo?
Those who followed my efforts at the V11 forum know that f Duc owners,
is not that easy. Roll Eyes

I developed a good one after lotsa effort this spring but still some kickbacks, f e.

Tried some radical stuff tonight w Idle TPS, Prime &
Spk Adv Row 0.
Did not feel anything radical happened.

So,
Guzzi guys,
are you`re starting procedure effortless?
If not, tell me about your problems & how you solved them.

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Re: Good start maybe not so easy...
Reply #1 - 09/01/09 at 09:23:55

I had starting problems with the OEM. I had even more problems with MyECU but I never bothered trying to fix it. Then suddenly this spring it got tremendously better as a side effect after I backed off idle screw to WHB spec and adjusted idle speed by changing the pulse width in (0,1). I never changed prime table or ignition.

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Re: Good start maybe not so easy...
Reply #2 - 09/02/09 at 05:05:31

Looking at Captain's log, I now realize I also adjusted InjAdv right before that sudden improvement. Maybe that contributed to it. Throughout the map I use an InjAdv that corresponds to a start of injection at 740 degrees so each InjAdv cell is calculated depending on speed and pulse width.

My (0,0) cell, used while cranking, is 720 and my idle cell (0,1) is 705.

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greenmonster Full Member Offline Sweden Posts: 196	Re: Good start maybe not so easy... Reply #3 - 09/02/09 at 07:15:11 Sounds like things worth trying, thx raz!
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_Cliff_ YaBB Moderator Offline I Love YaBB 2! Posts: 126	Re: Good start maybe not so easy... Reply #4 - 09/08/09 at 11:48:47 You should take a capture of the ECU data while starting so that we can eliminate any other issues.
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Re: Good start maybe not so easy...
Reply #5 - 09/10/09 at 05:01:58

I once had a Ducati ecu at hands, from a 800cc Monster if I remember right. I put it into the V11 to see what it does. The engine did start as easy as with the V11 unit. Really no difference. I'm quite sure your Ducati should start with the V11 settings also, as long as everything else works as designed at least.

BTW, I would avoid radical changes in the map. The environment is changing radically enough from day to day (temp, pressure, humidity etc.)

Hubert

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greenmonster Full Member Offline Sweden Posts: 196	Re: Good start maybe not so easy... Reply #6 - 09/14/09 at 10:14:09 Thx all f chiming in. Got closer today. Inj Adv adj no cigar, backing idle TPS within 60-150 good. MyECU V11/Cali starting values good, spark at TDC & Prime values cloose. Suitable Idle TPS value = essential! Main struggle: Even if you do radical things w Prime/Ign/ etc, hard to tell what direction to go....
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Re: Good start maybe not so easy...
Reply #7 - 09/15/09 at 07:43:45

GM, did you try logging? I haven't managed to get a good log of engine start. Not that I have tried very hard.

Here is one example:
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Map (0.0,2.9) Thro=157 RPM=200 o2Adj=100.0%,100.0% o2[0] o2Target=0.00V o2=3.10V,1.44V OilT=24.0C AirT=20.0C AirP=1009mb Bat=12.55V Inj=0us BaroAdj=113.5%
Map (0.0,2.9) Thro=162 RPM=200 o2Adj=100.0%,100.0% o2[0] o2Target=0.00V o2=0.00V,1.46V OilT=24.0C AirT=20.0C AirP=1009mb Bat=11.08V Inj=0us BaroAdj=113.5%
Map (0.8,1.1) Thro=162 RPM=900 o2Adj=100.0%,100.0% o2[4] o2Target=0.00V o2=0.01V,1.46V OilT=24.0C AirT=20.0C AirP=1009mb Bat=12.16V Inj=6503us BaroAdj=113.5%
Map (0.7,1.0) Thro=162 RPM=806 o2Adj=100.0%,100.0% o2[4] o2Target=0.00V o2=4.84V,1.46V OilT=24.0C AirT=20.0C AirP=1009mb Bat=12.44V Inj=6489us BaroAdj=113.5%
Map (0.8,10.4) Thro=157 RPM=936 o2Adj=100.0%,100.0% o2[0] o2Target=0.00V o2=4.62V,1.46V OilT=24.0C AirT=20.0C AirP=1010mb Bat=12.22V Inj=10064us BaroAdj=113.2%
Map (0.0,1.0) Thro=197 RPM=199 o2Adj=100.0%,100.0% o2[0] o2Target=0.00V o2=0.00V,1.50V OilT=24.0C AirT=20.0C AirP=1009mb Bat=10.97V Inj=11432us BaroAdj=113.1%
Map (1.5,1.2) Thro=303 RPM=1300 o2Adj=100.0%,100.0% o2[4] o2Target=0.00V o2=0.02V,1.50V OilT=24.0C AirT=20.0C AirP=1009mb Bat=12.66V Inj=6963us BaroAdj=113.1%

Logging is a little slow, or my engine fires up very quickly. I don't see any <500 rpm crank pulsewidths, it goes from zero to 900 rpm.
Line 5 is interesting, what on earth pushed that thr coordinate up? Accel pump?
Line 6 says engine stalled, but it recovered.

I'll log a couple of starts and see if I can get better info.

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Re: Good start maybe not so easy...
Reply #8 - 09/15/09 at 09:44:07

The throttle jump is interesting. Amazing what you can miss when you're not looking for it. I think throttle pump is the reason but its not an intended result. I'll have a look at fixing that.
The priming uses a different route which is why it looks like nothing is happening.

What I'm specifically looking for is any restarts of the processor due to low voltage. Yours is good.

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Re: Good start maybe not so easy...
Reply #9 - 09/19/09 at 18:18:44

Throttle pump makes no difference on my bike (for starting the engine - no probs so or so).
The MyEcu starts big engines easily, even with small and even with weak batteries.

BTW, there is no need to have 10000 in the upper lines at rpms below 3000 or so. So if T/P was an issue for starting you could adjust these values.

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raz Senior Member Offline Guzzi 11OO Sport, My16MkV, Innovate LC-1 Posts: 373 Stockholm, Sweden Gender:	Re: Good start maybe not so easy... Reply #10 - 09/19/09 at 18:58:02 Good catch Hubert, I never gave those cells attention. I should probably wind them down quite a bit if the ECU consistently makes that jump. I'll log a few more starts when I get the time. Greenmonster, if I were you I would produce a bunch of engine start logs. Maybe this is part of the problem.
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raz Senior Member Offline Guzzi 11OO Sport, My16MkV, Innovate LC-1 Posts: 373 Stockholm, Sweden Gender:	Re: Good start maybe not so easy... Reply #11 - 09/19/09 at 19:55:30 For what it's worth I just logged a number of engine starts and never catched that weird throttle jump again.
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Luhbo Full Member Offline I Like My15M! Posts: 186 Germany	Re: Good start maybe not so easy... Reply #12 - 09/20/09 at 18:24:42 Greenmonster, would you send me your actual map via email (see profile or button below this posting)? Just for curiosity reasons. Hubert
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greenmonster Full Member Offline Sweden Posts: 196	Re: Good start maybe not so easy... Reply #13 - 09/20/09 at 20:15:49 OK, I`ll log a few starts. I mailed the map that worked good in early summer this year, luhbo. Started well cold w full idle lever.
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Luhbo Full Member Offline I Like My15M! Posts: 186 Germany	Re: Good start maybe not so easy... Reply #14 - 09/22/09 at 00:00:17 greenmonster wrote on 09/20/09 at 20:15:49: ... Started well cold w full idle lever. Funny, until this posting I somehow felt you might have problems with your map and/or engine starting. Now, when you write the bike started well, what are we talking about? Hubert
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