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Newbie with a 15M MyECU
08/12/10 at 00:21:29

About mid-December of last year I bought a unit, and I decided yesterday that in order to enjoy riding this fall I really needed to get it installed and start tuning this week. So, I guess I've been sitting on this thing for almost 8 months. ...Did I set a record? Wink

After work I went to my storage unit and did the following.

1. Read the Tuning MyECU and MyECU Optimizer Owners Manual.

2. Set the dip switches on MyECU to open loop (SW1 - On, the rest off)

3. Sealed up the unit with electrical tape and zip ties. (Temporary fix)

4. Took a quick spin on my bike around the neighborhood as a reference before I started tuning.

5. Swapped the OEM ECU with the 15M MyECU.

6. Attached the ethernet cable to the MyECU and ran a line up to my handlebars.

7. Zip tied the Optimizer to the handlebars.

8. Secured loose/extra ethernet cable behind a side cover and to the bottom of the gas tank (I'll probably move the loose cable to the top of the tank due to potential heat issues for the cable)

9. Attached the ethernet cable to the MyECU...and fired up the bike!

I was very happy to see the bike start, run, and activity on the Optimizer. Earlier I read in the instructions that MyECU doesn't normally come with a map installed. Fortunately I had bought one of Cliffs old personal units, so it still had a map loaded to work with. That's a really good thing since at the moment I don't own a laptop/PC for installing maps and using the tuning software. I've got a Mac laptop...but I'm a little reluctant to use it for a few reasons. (BTW - If you have a Mac and you're using Cliff's software please chime in with any thoughts/suggestions)

Well at this point it was now dark and I really couldn't read the Optimizer. Regardless, before putting away the bike for the night, I shifted the menu to Autotune and went for another spin. Will Autotune really tune the bike without any input/adjustments from me?

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: Newbie with a 15M MyECU
Reply #1 - 08/12/10 at 00:41:14

Congrats. So you have a V11?

My Optmiser has a backlight, but apparently some hasn't, it's mentioned in the assembly instructions I think.

I run ECUControl.exe under Linux using Wine all the time, I guess something similar could be done with a Mac. The only thing I needed to do was link the virtual Windows serial port device to the real Linux device, using this command in a shell:

ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 ~/.wine/dosdevices/com1

The Autotune will automatically tune the cruising parts (at least) of your map provided you have a wideband sensor installed and target voltages configured.

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YaBB Administrator YaBB Administrator Offline I love YaBB! Posts: 679 The Land of YaBB	Re: Newbie with a 15M MyECU Reply #2 - 08/12/10 at 05:58:43 You should verify the sensor operation before going closed loop to find what voltage target is applicable. Then run closed loop a while before using autotune.
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greenmonster Full Member Offline Sweden Posts: 196	Re: Newbie with a 15M MyECU Reply #3 - 08/12/10 at 09:11:38 I suggest you read the MyECU manual again before any further tuning. Lamda sensor tuning reqiure altering switches on PCB . As stated above, no Autotune can be made w/o Lambda sensors attached. Welcome aboard!
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Atlanta Guzzi YaBB Newbies Offline I love MyECU! Posts: 24	Re: Newbie with a 15M MyECU Reply #4 - 08/12/10 at 11:06:17 I guess I need to read the instructions again? So it seems everyone is suggesting I switch to closed loop for some initial tuning. Hmm? I'll read the guide again tonight, and I'll be spending most of the weekend tuning. Any and all suggestions are appreciated. BTW - I have a Moto Guzzi 2001 California Special. Thanks!
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Kiwi Roy Junior Member Offline I love MyECU! Posts: 66	Re: Newbie with a 15M MyECU Reply #5 - 08/12/10 at 19:59:05 First thing to do when you get the laptop going is make a backup of what you now have then put it away somewhere safe. The maps self reproduce while you're not looking. Before I knew where I was I had so many maps I didn't know where I was, luckily Raz came to the rescue It's been several weeks now and I haven't needed a fix
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Reply #6 - 08/14/10 at 03:53:39

The weekend is finally here (well when I finish work in a few hours) and I'm ready see what MyECU will do, or at least what I can do with it.

After re-reading the instructions, and a few of the comments I received on this post I'm a little confused? In an effort of full disclosure...I really don't know what I'm doing. (and I'm guessing by now it's obvious

) I've tuned cars and motorcycles that use carbs & points, but this is the first time I'll be tuning a fuel injected bike by myself. Prior to this weekend I've watched and slightly assisted someone tune my bike using their laptop and the Moto Guzzi VDSTS software. So, I'm sure I have a lot to learn, but you gotta start somewhere and I'm willing to get my hands dirty and give it a try.

The "Getting Started with MyECU" instructions tell me to do the following:

1. Install the ECU - Done
2. Adjust the TPS base - I'm currently at 106 (I might go a little lower to save fuel)
3. Adjust the Idle mixture - Will do this next.
4. ....but there's nothing listed after #4?

So to clear things up I want to ask if anyone can provide a very basic step-by-step of what I should do to get the ball rolling. Here's the guide I'd like to create for the weekend.

Step 1 - Set the bike to _____ Loop.

(Open or Closed? Please keep in mind I don't have a computer, only the Optimizer. I can't download any new maps or make any adjustments using the tuning software.)

Step 2 - Adjust the ______.

- The appropriate range of values is between ___ and ____
- You'll know you've found the sweet spot when the bike does _______.

Step 3 - Adjust the ______.

- The appropriate range of values is between ___ and ____
- You'll know you've found the sweet spot when the bike does _______.

etc, etc, etc.

Well, once I cover these inital steps...how do I make additional adjustments, using the Optimizer, to clear up specific mixture problems within the map?

Once again a truly appreciate everyones help.

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Re: Newbie with a 15M MyECU
Reply #7 - 08/14/10 at 08:12:50

One other quick question before I sign off my computer and head home for the day.

Does anyone on this board have a good map for a 15M Moto Guzzi California? Come to think of it...wouldn't a good Moto Guzzi V11 Sport map work just as well? They both use a 15M and have the same engine.

I don't have a PC laptop, but I'm wondering if I can borrow a laptop or use my sisters desktop PC to download a map?

Anyway, any and all assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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_Cliff_ YaBB Moderator Offline I Love YaBB 2! Posts: 126	Re: Newbie with a 15M MyECU Reply #8 - 08/16/10 at 14:26:20 I've made some updates to - http://www.cajinnovations.com/MyECU/FirstSteps.htm Please feel free to offer improvements/suggestions, and for any other page for that matter.
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Re: Newbie with a 15M MyECU
Reply #9 - 08/16/10 at 17:38:13

Found a map for you to try its called Cali1100stock so may be ok for you, I think it came from Raz ? Code:

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Re: Newbie with a 15M MyECU
Reply #10 - 08/16/10 at 17:45:12

Ign Map for the above Code:

RPM         500  1000  1500  2000  2500  3000  3501  4002  4501  5000  6000  7009  8012  8012  8012  8012
SpkAdv 14  5.27 11.95 20.39 22.15 24.26 28.13 27.07 27.77 32.34 35.16 35.16 33.05 30.23 30.23 30.23 30.23
SpkAdv 13  5.27 11.95 20.39 22.15 24.26 28.13 27.07 27.77 32.34 35.16 35.16 33.05 30.23 30.23 30.23 30.23
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SpkAdv 11  5.27 11.95 20.39 22.15 24.26 28.13 27.07 27.77 32.34 35.16 35.16 33.05 30.23 30.23 30.23 30.23
SpkAdv 10  5.27 11.25 20.39 24.26 25.31 28.13 29.88 30.94 31.64 34.45 35.16 34.45 30.23 30.23 30.23 30.23
SpkAdv 09  5.27 10.20 18.63 22.85 25.31 29.53 30.94 30.59 32.34 34.80 35.16 35.16 31.29 31.29 31.29 31.29
SpkAdv 08  5.27 10.20 18.63 25.31 27.07 31.64 34.10 35.86 37.27 39.38 40.08 37.97 37.27 37.27 37.27 37.27
SpkAdv 07  5.27  9.14 16.17 22.50 25.31 30.59 33.75 36.21 38.67 39.73 41.13 40.08 39.38 39.38 39.38 39.38
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raz Senior Member Offline Guzzi 11OO Sport, My16MkV, Innovate LC-1 Posts: 373 Stockholm, Sweden Gender:	Re: Newbie with a 15M MyECU Reply #11 - 08/17/10 at 02:18:49 pasotibbs wrote on 08/16/10 at 17:38:13: I think it came from Raz ? If it did, I just passed it on from what was previously available (but not anymore?) on Cliff's web site. I think a V11 (or 1100 Sport) map will do fine too. Perhaps a tad rich but that is the better side to err on.
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pasotibbs YaBB Newbies Offline Posts: 23 Sheffield ,UK Gender:	Re: Newbie with a 15M MyECU Reply #12 - 08/17/10 at 20:49:46 raz wrote on 08/17/10 at 02:18:49: pasotibbs wrote on 08/16/10 at 17:38:13: I think it came from Raz ? If it did, I just passed it on from what was previously available (but not anymore?) on Cliff's web site. I may be wrong, but I can't think where else I'd have got it from
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Reply #13 - 08/17/10 at 21:42:42

Thanks for all the help! The map will come in very handy.

I'm beginning to realize that doing all of my tuning with an Optimizer might be a little challenging. I think it's possible, but definitely harder to visualize what's going on with the entire map. After reading the instructions again it seems the Optimizer works best when used for tuning in Closed Loop, and having a lambda sensor onboard the bike. Has anyone "temporarily" installed a lambda sensor and ridden a bike in Closed Loop, with an Optimizer, for tuning? How did you do it??

Well, it seems I might have to buy an inexpensive laptop in order to really tune my bike well. That's a real bummer...but I'm not real confident about my end results without a laptop. If there's a way around this please let me know. Prior to buying my Mac laptop, I owned an old Dell PC laptop which died a couple of years ago. It has a RS232 port while many of the new computers don't, and I read that Cliff wrote the software to work with a RS232 port. So keeping all of this all in mind...I'm trying to decide if I should fix my old computer or buy a cheap new/used one that works. What's driving this question is my concern about how well these RS232 adapters work. I've heard stories and seen challenges using these adapters. My OEM ECU was tuned using an old laptop, VDSTS software, and an RS232 cable with an adapter. While tuning we had many quirks and were always wondering if the problem was the old laptop, the RS232 adaptor, or the software. Going with a computer that has RS232 at least removes one point of failure. If you guys have a good product recommendation for a cheap laptop or RS232 adaptor that really works well great! Please let me know.

As you can tell I'm at a crossroads. This weekend I figured out how to adjust the idle speed, but after that I was sorta stuck. Thoughts and advice on lambda sensors and RS232 concerns will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again

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Re: Newbie with a 15M MyECU
Reply #14 - 08/18/10 at 02:37:13

I think you will need a computer to make changes. It doesn't have to be very new at all, an old one with Windows 2000 or XP will do just fine. Actually you will probably have less problems with that older computer than a brand new one, especially if it's equipped with a Windows version of about the same age.

A Wideband sensor (plus controller) is much fun if you like to tweak things but it can be $200 more of your money. Mine lasted 30,000 kms but I don't need a new one as my map is perfect long time ago (by the way, only the sensor itself is busted, I could get a new one for $30). Even if you go closed loop I would think you need a computer.

I used an Innovate LC-1 but there are other alternatives too of course. Maybe some cheaper too, I don't know really.

Edit: By the way, exactly what Mac laptop do you own? Chances are you can run ECUControl on it, one way or the other.

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